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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with another episode of UFO

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news network Sunday we've got a fabulous

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panel today to talk about UFO gear we're

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gonna talk about high-end stuff we're

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gonna talk about software we're gonna

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talk about consumer level equipment that

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you might already have in hand and we're

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gonna talk about how you might enhance

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what you've already got or what you

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might look for if you're looking to

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upgrade all that kind of good stuff

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gear matters and let me bring on my

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co-host today yeah aunt Hannah and chant

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why don't you introduce our fabulous

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panel we have a fantastic panel of folks

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today thank you for introducing me under

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the show we have scientist deep Prasad

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and he's also a tech entrepreneur he

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hopes to make relevant contributions to

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the field of quantum computing and the

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search for extraterrestrial life we have

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dr. irina scott she is a great grand

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great-great grand niece of John Purdue

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she has a PhD in physiology from the

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University of Missouri and was on

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assistant professor of biology at st.

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Bonaventure University she has published

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works in biology and about Ohio history

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Irina was on the mouflon Board of

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Directors in 1990s through 2000 an

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investigator and consultant and was an

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investigator for Koufos Michael Hall

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also known as the paranormal a lawyer

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he's located in Edmonds Washington

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he's a semi-retired attorney started a

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group called the UFO i-team that has a

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dozen members or so in the Snohomish

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County region also known as a paranormal

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lawyer you'll have to correct me on how

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how to say that properly Michael on the

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show and then also we have a wonderful

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person who's on the UFO i-team with

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Michael and that is Dave Mason he is a

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technical member of the UFO i-team a

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thermography using flirt thermal cameras

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and night vision technology based being

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used in a U P o ua p and UFO detection

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and research sigh sorry those letters

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were transposed there how is everybody

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doing today doing good thank you

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well well let's get Michael let's get

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started with some recent news here

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you're getting a lot of mainstream media

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attention out that way

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and I saw an article this morning where

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you discuss apparently you've gotten

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some tips of some UFO activity down

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around Seattle Tacoma International

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Airport and have been going down there

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and doing some data gathering so once

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tell the folks all about that yeah thank

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you this was just the last couple of

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days of last month

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literally Lee Strauss one of our

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technical camera guys on our crew got

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contacted by a woman middle-aged woman

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who has said that she has been seeing

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for the last eight years she says

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anomalous objects flying above the

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restrictor or around the restricted

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airspace at sea-tac International

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Airport right next to Seattle so she

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sent him some video that shows basically

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as I described it for people who can't

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see it right now but basically the

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freeway of i-5 going right by SeaTac and

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a black object basically cylindrical and

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almost round but kind of a cylindrical

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object hovering over the freeway and

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over the field and then above that

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there's this white smaller object that

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zipping around in and out of the cloud

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cover which is kind of load day during

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the daytime the broad daylight over

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SeaTac Airport this dot this thing looks

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like kind of like a tic-tac shape it's

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white and it's kind of roundish but

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smaller than the black object so that

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that video when we posted on our UFO eye

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team Facebook page really went semi

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viral you know well over 5,000 views

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within the matter of a week

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and it really peaked a lot of people's

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interest so we went down there Dave

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Mason myself Lee Strauss to take some

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daytime footage of the airport area and

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we're still in the process of reviewing

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that footage we're didn't see anything

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but with our naked eye that day but

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we've got some pretty good technical

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gear that we'll be talking about today

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and deep a you've been in the news

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lately - you were working with Kevin day

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or see me yeah Kevin day and that Kevin

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little independent team going and I want

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you to tell the folks a little about it

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about what you're looking to do with

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thanks essentially what we have is a

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sort of new set II I'm I see it as an

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evolution of Seti in the sense that

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while study focuses on looking outside

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in looking at radio signals we're

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pursuing different avenues of sort of

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confirming whether there is

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extraterrestrial intelligence and one of

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as many of us I guess have in common

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here is that's one of the best ways to

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do that it seems is through UAP

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detection and luckily for us we have

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guys like kevin day right who were the

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radar operator during the events of the

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tic-tac and we also have a lot of

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different trained professionals trained

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eyewitnesses who have come forward and

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given us and for more information about

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the site that we're going to be going to

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so our plan is to take one research

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vessel and we're going to be going out

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to Catalina island's - essentially a hot

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spot where the tic-tac is frequently

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cited almost based on a seasonal nearly

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seasonal pattern you can say is quasi

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seasonal and we want to kind of treat it

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like one analogy that I really like is

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in in Ashley near Catalina Island they

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were tracking a specific type of shark

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species and this shark species was

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rarely cited but eventually people would

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see it and they would drop these points

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every time they would see these sharks

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and over time over a year and over five

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years they created this heat map of

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where you could see them and where they

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were going and this gave him a lot more

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insight into how they function so we

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hope to do the exact same thing and now

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the caveat at just one last thing is

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this is that on another analogy that I

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like to use is that in a case of a true

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UAP based on the five observable is

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defined by the a2 program if those if

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there are devices like that objects out

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there that can meet those five criteria

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we're dealing with something that would

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be emitting data on in spectrums that we

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can't even access and we might not even

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have conceptualize yet so for example

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take a villager in the 17th century and

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they're trying to take a picture of any

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plane or like let's say an f-18 during

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their time they wouldn't be able to the

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best they could do is create a drawing

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cameras probably some of our best

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detectors are the equivalent of just

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drawing and where we can't actually

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capture all the kinds of data that we're

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seeing and so that's why I like groups

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like what we have and people like David

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creating these new kinds of cameras and

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ways of detecting something that's

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might be using acoustic detection at

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least for defense purposes

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regarding the relevancy or how relevant

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anything that's measurable that we can

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gain is worth going after and acoustic

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location it's your right it's used very

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in both active and passive ways I

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believe there's active acoustic and then

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Pacific and I think you know you know

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what this is a great transition to

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introducing what David Mason works on

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because he actually specializes in a

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whole bunch of different kinds of radar

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detection systems thank you for that

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segue let's ask him Dave how are you

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doing I'm doing good good yeah can you

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give us any any kind of input or just

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share with us your experience regarding

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the topic we're covering today

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us a quick overview on what acoustic

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detection is in the first place the

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acoustic detection would be using

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directional microphones there's

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different methods of microphones they

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could be the dynamic microphones which

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are a mini voice coil there's also the

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Paizo detection method as well as the

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would be a call a condenser microphone

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which is a exactly a mini capacitor

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microphone those would be the three

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different methods and acoustic

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measurement in in having it directed you

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have to have a source of a known

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specific region of the sky or landscape

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where to direct this and then using a

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filtration method to limit bandwidth so

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you don't have interference so that you

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can try to vet out anything that is

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anomalous or you know if it's in the

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case of the military trying to identify

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you know the enemy using certain

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bandwidths and known bandwidths of say

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of a tank or different object and as far

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as transmitting there's been an I've

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experimented with us and myself using a

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piezo device and you you use a high

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frequency modulation of that piezo

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device so you can take sound and make it

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more directional and instead of just

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putting a loudspeaker in and turning

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it has that property that is more

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directional and you can actually throw

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sound at great distances and this is of

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course has been used to try to spoof

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sounds and locations and in military

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applications to you know to fool the

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enemy you know it's one thing Dave as

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you know dolphins use acoustic skillsets

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to be able to detect objects in the

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ocean do you think with the technology

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we have right now can we further advance

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our technology to get to their level

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well that's actually going on in sonar

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systems it the echo locations that are

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used with dolphins and and having to I

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mean dolphins will actually put out

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sonar pulses to even confuse their prey

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to to to gather them

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so our sonar system is really the same

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thing in in the principles of that it

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emits a pulse of ultrasonic frequency

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through water and then using ultrasonics

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it becomes a more directional or

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coherent beam it's a narrower beam that

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the higher the frequency the smaller the

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Beeman's so therefore you get higher

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resolution and so we're we're on par

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with the Dolphins I don't think we're

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actually as intelligent but we are

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certainly on par with the technology

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that they use I do have a question for

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you that I think is important all first

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world or second world countries they

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work very hard on making sure they know

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what is in their airspace or in their

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oceans and wanted to know if any kind of

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technology can be used to create a false

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flag event where it looks like maybe

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there could be some kind of artificially

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created event that makes it look like

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there's an object in the sky like a

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missile or whatever when there's really

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not do you think that's possible to

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create a false sense of a UAP UFO

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presence

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it's not impossible but highly

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improbable it would you would have to

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use I mean our best technology would be

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a drone with anomalous you know LED

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lights affixed around it and in the case

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of creating a sound no that could be

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done with the ultrasonic throw the sound

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using the ultrasonic method very

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difficult to orchestrate but it could be

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done and and I I don't think it could be

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done very convincingly but I was it

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could be I mean there's ways of

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perpetrating hoaxes and people wearing a

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suits and walking in the forest and

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somebody's seen big Bigfoot you know

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that might that's a very primitive way

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to do it I wanted to share with you some

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input we have a cameraman who helps us

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off and on for various shows he'll go

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with me to events to videotape

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ufo-related conventions and events what

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I wanted to ask you is he when I asked

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him what would you recommend using to

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detect possible UFO / UAP activity he

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said I recommend using Adobe extraction

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filters - footage now my question to you

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is you know first of all when I worked

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at a college I actually taught Adobe the

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Adobe suite one thing I noticed is if we

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use the filters too hard or in certain

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manner it could make something look like

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something it was not for us so is it

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possible to overuse the filters or

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underuse them or use them in a manner

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that might be done in an innocent manner

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or in an intentional manner to make

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something look like it's really not

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there or whatever fill in the blank what

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were your thoughts on that oh absolutely

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you could take something that would be

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of a normal prosaic object and use a

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filtration process in any kind of

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software and make no make a bug look

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like a UFO if you if you really played

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with the histograms on it that could

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certainly happen and it all depends on

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in tempt of the person who's taken video

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as to what what do they have an agenda

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are they just trying to vet the

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information that's been recorded and

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actually identify what's there or do you

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want to alter it an example of something

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that was probably unintentional or maybe

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intentional but the famous flying rods I

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actually stumbled upon that with with

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video cameras and where if you had

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exposures that were running maybe one

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fifth of a second and and an insect was

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to travel across the exposure the wings

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would move and it would give you this

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rod with these funny identical images

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that I got that that I had seen on the

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Internet so my conclusion was that the

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flying rods were indeed just that

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nothing more than insects I should add

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by let me jump in here and shutter speed

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that slow is just not going to capture a

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really fast moving object just to give

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the folks at home an idea what I've got

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up now is a photograph of a falcon in

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flight and it said kind of got its wings

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tucked in it's just kind of dive-bombing

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for some prey it's a fantastic picture I

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am going to estimate although I don't

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have the X update and we probably should

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get a little bit into X of data related

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to related to still photography but I'm

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gonna ballpark this at the shutter speed

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on this particular photograph I'm gonna

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Ballpark it in a good one over 1500 or 1

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over 1600 you know so basically that

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means that the shutter is opening and

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closing in 115 hundredths of a second or

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one second divided by 15 1600 that is

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pretty quick

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typically a sports photographer will use

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a shutter speed of about maybe 1 over a

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thousand and also to give the folks at

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home some kind of an idea most of most

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point-and-shoot cameras are most DSLR

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cameras they're going to have a top-end

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shutter speed of a 1 over 4,000 you can

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get like a Nikon d70 200 which is not a

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higher-end

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FX camera it's kind of a tweener maybe

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like a high-end amateur a high a low-end

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pro camera that I if I recall correctly

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has a shutter speed of one over eight

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thousand let's say you wanted to take a

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picture of a hummingbird that it flaps

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its wings very very quickly one over

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four thousand those wings will still

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blur because the hummingbirds move their

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wings so quickly you pretty well if you

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want to capture that hummingbird so it

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looks like it's literally hovering in

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that midair and it's a you you get a

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clear shot of the wings you're gonna

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need a shutter speed of one over eight

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thousand that is not the kind of camera

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most folks will typically have is not

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going to have those kind of capabilities

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just to give you an idea and I've got

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this picture of the Falcon up now you

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can imagine I'm ballpark ballparking the

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shutter speed on this estimating it at

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around 1 over 15 1 over 16 under it if

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you've got if you're taking a picture of

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this particular bird say one over two

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hundredths of a second one over two

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hundred this is going to be a blur and

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we see lots of photographs where people

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are taking pictures hey I didn't see

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anything when I took it but man look at

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this it looks exactly like a UFO and you

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can look at this look at this photo if

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you're online right now or go back and

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check it out later the folks watching

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live can all see it with a significantly

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lower shutter speed that it's gonna look

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like a blur it's gonna look like a

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saucer-shaped blur and there's just no

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way around that that's how the cameras

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operate very good points thank you

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doctor Irena Scott I wanted to ask you

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is there any particular equipment or

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tools or anything else you may have used

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when you are on airplanes doing the

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taking care of the responsibilities that

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you had at that moment in time regarding

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where you could have captured possible

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UFO activity in the skies or in the

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oceans I think one general purpose type

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thing would be a video recorder that

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records in night vision and telephoto

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and telephoto is really handy because if

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you if it's in daytime and you see

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something flying by you can use

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telephoto and hone in on it and get a

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good view and guess what it is and then

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also with night vision the trouble with

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night vision is is that there's an awful

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lot of other things flying around that

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aren't UFOs and if you go out with night

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vision and unless it's freezing cold or

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something you're going to pick up

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insects and everything else so get a lot

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of things could be UFOs and art right

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yeah dr. Scott really quick I want to

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ask you a lot of folks they do get

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pictures of different objects in the sky

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and they don't know what it is they

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think they've got something or maybe

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they did really get something and you've

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done field research for MUFON there's a

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I see a lot of pictures where people

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post this and go look this is incredible

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what is this you know this is amazing

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but they don't really provide a lot of

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details I think it's really important

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that folks to add credibility to their

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account provide as many details in terms

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of you know where they were what they

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saw and so on can you give some folks a

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little bit of feedback on the types of

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things they should make note of when

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they provide these photos they should

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take make note immediately of the time

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and like if it's taken with an iPhone or

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something it should show the time and

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you can go into the information on the

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iPhone and I think it's called I am if

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something and get the exact time but

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also the exact location with longitude

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and latitude and the condition the

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ceiling of the clouds and that sort of

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thing will show the weather you might be

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getting a satellite or an airplane or

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something you can't tell about the

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insects and bugs and things the topic

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a delights also because you know there's

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some really neat apps out there folks

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can download onto their devices to see

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what satellites are in our skies right

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now and one disclaimer I'd like to share

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with people that they need to know is

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when you think you are looking at all

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the satellites being reported in these

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apps you're not there's an awful lot of

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top-secret satellites that are out there

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that might be visible to the eye and

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during certain times of night or

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depending whether you're in the country

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or the city and they will not be

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reported in any of these apps I wanted

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to ask Michael hall a really important

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question and that is do you feel that

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you've witnessed satellite activity and

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not barely et related craft activity or

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UFO activity in the skies oh sure chant

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there that's a you know one of those

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things you need to vet when you're out

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there sky watching especially at night

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because those satellites are very easily

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spotted as they go by but typically

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they're their mode of transportation

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their movement and all that is typical

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of a satellite so it's usually easily

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vetted to make sure that you're not

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looking at even even the Iridium

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satellites that don't appear constantly

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but kind of flash periodically their RSS

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be careful as well yeah they're very

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impressive when they when they flare up

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and that basically what they are is just

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a satellite you generally they'll have a

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large solar panel for power and when

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that the the the satellite is angled

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just right it is reflecting the Sun

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that's basically the cause of those

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Iridium flares and they're spectacular

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but the folks you know you can wander

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around and keep your head down and kind

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of look at where you're going you've

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generally got to keep your eye on the

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sky to see those things the it takes

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some takes some doing to spot him you

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got to kind of have your head up and now

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real

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be looking for exactly and you know we

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have some different protocols that we

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use on the UFO I team to do just that

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Frank we have one of our best viewers is

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a gentleman by the name of ander y risky

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he is our our Basque contingent for the

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UFO item he is actually a Basque

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heritage and his eyesight is much more

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than 20/20 he has really good vision but

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his strategy is to look at the night sky

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straight up basically or any direction

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and uses peripheral vision to capture

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things that are unique to double

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double-check you know with with the

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equipment that we have because believe

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it or not our peripheral vision is quite

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amazing in the fact that it can it's

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basically our survival mechanism where

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if something is happening off to the

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side of you or in your peripheral vision

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you need to know about it right away so

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you can get out of there and preserve

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yourself so the peripheral vision that

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he uses to capture these things is quite

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stunning and then we go there with our

544
00:26:24,910 --> 00:26:22,630
equipment and find out what it is I

545
00:26:26,770 --> 00:26:24,920
wanted to let everybody know something

546
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:26,780
that's interesting also that all of our

547
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:29,840
panelists know and that is NASA's

548
00:26:34,270 --> 00:26:31,970
International Space Station can be seen

549
00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:34,280
by the naked eye and a lot of folks seem

550
00:26:39,460 --> 00:26:36,470
to think innocently at times they

551
00:26:41,170 --> 00:26:39,470
mistake it for some kind of UFO or ET

552
00:26:43,420 --> 00:26:41,180
craft related activities so it's

553
00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:43,430
important folks know that that is out

554
00:26:48,010 --> 00:26:45,590
there and they can also track it on the

555
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:48,020
web regarding where it's at Michael have

556
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:50,690
you ever have to ask you a question I've

557
00:26:54,910 --> 00:26:52,370
been dying to ask you for a long time

558
00:27:01,090 --> 00:26:54,920
now do you feel that you have ever

559
00:27:04,990 --> 00:27:01,100
witnessed ET craft related activity well

560
00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:05,000
we do we are the newest stuff that's

561
00:27:08,170 --> 00:27:06,620
coming out I'll just go out real quick

562
00:27:13,810 --> 00:27:08,180
here with kind of our newer newer

563
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:13,820
findings least rouse our intrepid camera

564
00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:16,310
a guy who takes these equipment that he

565
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:18,380
has up to ten twelve thousand feet

566
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:20,510
sometimes on the top of mountains and

567
00:27:25,150 --> 00:27:22,130
captures this

568
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:25,160
anomalous activity going by has got some

569
00:27:30,370 --> 00:27:28,610
amazing footage of craft it's that

570
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:30,380
initially looked like they're going in a

571
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,770
straight line could be you know a meteor

572
00:27:38,290 --> 00:27:36,080
could be a satellite those kinds of

573
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:38,300
things actually not as satellite the

574
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:39,770
media these things are going much faster

575
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:43,130
than that but when we zoom in with our

576
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:45,250
technical equipment that Dave Mason has

577
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:48,710
we we find out that these things are

578
00:27:55,870 --> 00:27:51,730
traveling more or less than a sine wave

579
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:55,880
movement Dave Mason I'd like to throw it

580
00:28:00,430 --> 00:27:57,650
to him to kind of determine or kind of

581
00:28:03,030 --> 00:28:00,440
explain how this sine wave movement

582
00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:03,040
seems to correspond with our Earth's

583
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:06,740
humans residents as well which is really

584
00:28:10,330 --> 00:28:08,810
kind of being throwing us for a loop

585
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:10,340
lately so I don't know if you want to

586
00:28:16,990 --> 00:28:13,130
Dave yeah yeah absolutely

587
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:17,000
go for it Dave okay so what I did was I

588
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:19,490
examined least Strauss's video and and

589
00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:21,170
and you know at the on cept these

590
00:28:26,140 --> 00:28:23,270
objects that he recorded appeared to be

591
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:26,150
meteors and but they had a slight wiggle

592
00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:28,910
to him and and then observing the wiggle

593
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,030
it looked like a sine wave and it

594
00:28:37,330 --> 00:28:34,000
actually you know looked low-frequency

595
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:37,340
so I analyzed it in video software and

596
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:41,090
Mark the cycles and found in that and

597
00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:43,250
the variance was based on my accuracy of

598
00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:45,260
you know limited accuracy was between

599
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,750
seven point five and eight cycles per

600
00:28:51,970 --> 00:28:50,240
second and then I'm thinking oh wait

601
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:51,980
this is close to the Schumann's peak

602
00:28:57,250 --> 00:28:54,770
earth magnetic resonance of seven point

603
00:28:58,660 --> 00:28:57,260
eight three cycles per second and I

604
00:29:02,110 --> 00:28:58,670
thought it's it's well within the

605
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:02,120
parameters air so I I put together a

606
00:29:08,650 --> 00:29:05,210
short video demo and posted on the UFO

607
00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:08,660
i-team of my finding on that and thought

608
00:29:13,450 --> 00:29:10,670
perhaps that that was some kind of a

609
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:13,460
signal who knows it may have been a mere

610
00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:14,810
coincidence but I thought it was

611
00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:18,860
noteworthy that it was observed at least

612
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:22,400
measured at that frequency and so

613
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:25,910
whether or not we can make that jump I

614
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:28,370
don't know but it was certainly a a

615
00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:31,370
known frequency that was recorded and

616
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:33,430
that's a pretty low frequency that's

617
00:29:37,479 --> 00:29:35,570
seven point a

618
00:29:40,029 --> 00:29:37,489
that whatever it is hurts yeah and then

619
00:29:41,979 --> 00:29:40,039
you've got to yeah you got kilohertz and

620
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:41,989
then megahertz much faster frequencies

621
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:46,129
about the scale correct so that was just

622
00:29:51,369 --> 00:29:49,279
interesting to see that and and that we

623
00:29:53,409 --> 00:29:51,379
know that meteors don't wiggle in the

624
00:29:54,940 --> 00:29:53,419
sky they're falling between you know

625
00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:54,950
twenty thirty thousand miles an hour

626
00:30:01,389 --> 00:29:57,529
they move in straight lines and so I

627
00:30:03,249 --> 00:30:01,399
just thought that anomalous action with

628
00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:03,259
this thing that appeared to be a meteor

629
00:30:11,409 --> 00:30:07,340
was was somewhat noteworthy to comment

630
00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:11,419
on yeah Frank I just the cook just the

631
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:13,220
coincidence of this whole idea of

632
00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:16,399
something traveling through our upper

633
00:30:23,499 --> 00:30:19,700
atmosphere low space in the same

634
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:23,509
residence as our near space vibration

635
00:30:27,249 --> 00:30:25,609
for frequency of the planet I'm

636
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:27,259
wondering how that that works is that

637
00:30:33,070 --> 00:30:30,049
some kind of a communication some kind

638
00:30:34,749 --> 00:30:33,080
of a confirmation that these things are

639
00:30:37,239 --> 00:30:34,759
anomalous or not so those are things

640
00:30:39,789 --> 00:30:37,249
that we're really excited to to start

641
00:30:43,210 --> 00:30:39,799
getting into as far as the data and I'd

642
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:43,220
love to get deeps input on that as well

643
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:45,769
one day to see if the data that we have

644
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:48,799
is any interest to him as well now one

645
00:30:54,029 --> 00:30:50,450
thing I want to jump in on which I think

646
00:30:57,369 --> 00:30:54,039
is a kind of interesting regarding that

647
00:30:59,109 --> 00:30:57,379
seven point eight three frequency is

648
00:31:03,249 --> 00:30:59,119
that Michael Persinger

649
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,259
who is passed away now but was involved

650
00:31:08,859 --> 00:31:05,840
in studying remote viewing among other

651
00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:08,869
things and what he found was that if

652
00:31:15,460 --> 00:31:13,580
people listen to a an audio of that

653
00:31:16,989 --> 00:31:15,470
particular frequency that seven point

654
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:16,999
eight frequency that their remote

655
00:31:22,869 --> 00:31:20,450
viewing results were better so kind of

656
00:31:24,639 --> 00:31:22,879
an aside maybe it's nothing might be of

657
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:24,649
some interest to some folks but I just

658
00:31:31,330 --> 00:31:26,570
wanted to throw that in there and deep

659
00:31:34,899 --> 00:31:31,340
your feedback on all this yeah thanks so

660
00:31:38,349 --> 00:31:34,909
first of all I love whenever we have

661
00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:38,359
time series data because we can apply a

662
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:39,950
bunch of different kinds of machine

663
00:31:43,899 --> 00:31:41,570
learning and noise processing noise

664
00:31:45,849 --> 00:31:43,909
filtering algorithms on it right so when

665
00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:45,859
it comes to for example the I didn't

666
00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:47,749
know about the remote viewing being

667
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:48,980
enhanced potential

668
00:31:53,049 --> 00:31:51,410
by what frequency did you say it was

669
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:53,059
that say yeah what the von Neumann

670
00:31:57,580 --> 00:31:57,110
frequency I believe it is 72.83 okay

671
00:32:01,690 --> 00:31:57,590
great

672
00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:01,700
so so things like that if we can repeat

673
00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:03,590
it at scale to a statistically

674
00:32:08,770 --> 00:32:06,140
significant degree that's very

675
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,780
fascinating because it means that look

676
00:32:14,049 --> 00:32:10,880
at the way that we've advanced science

677
00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:14,059
in the past which is through coupling

678
00:32:19,210 --> 00:32:15,740
and analyzing the coupling of different

679
00:32:20,770 --> 00:32:19,220
forces right like let's say the weak and

680
00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:20,780
the strong nuclear forces and the

681
00:32:25,150 --> 00:32:23,150
electromagnetic forces then when you

682
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:25,160
look at something like remote viewing I

683
00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:26,570
remember when I had asked how putting

684
00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:29,540
off whether he understands or whether he

685
00:32:35,530 --> 00:32:32,150
we know yet or not how the universe

686
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:35,540
encodes a remote viewing target

687
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:37,490
he said that we really we have no idea

688
00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:40,010
he couldn't he didn't even present any

689
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:42,590
theories I guess that I don't blame him

690
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:45,679
because that's such an abstract I guess

691
00:32:49,659 --> 00:32:47,929
way of representing information and then

692
00:32:52,810 --> 00:32:49,669
connecting it to what we'd normally use

693
00:32:55,659 --> 00:32:52,820
in physics so something like this it's

694
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:55,669
like a small morsel of information that

695
00:33:00,250 --> 00:32:57,530
maybe we can learn a lot from if it's

696
00:33:02,169 --> 00:33:00,260
true because there this is an instance

697
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,179
where you have a force an

698
00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:03,919
electromagnetic force the frequency

699
00:33:08,770 --> 00:33:06,260
seven point eight three Hertz and then

700
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:08,780
you have an actual force that you can

701
00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:10,370
say is a remote viewing force and

702
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,470
whatever force carriers that might have

703
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:14,000
which represents the information

704
00:33:24,390 --> 00:33:18,530
involved so yeah Frank I wanted to go

705
00:33:28,659 --> 00:33:24,400
over something called exif data and it's

706
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:28,669
an acronym that's exif which contains a

707
00:33:34,270 --> 00:33:31,370
bunch of information about once camera

708
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:34,280
and possibly where the picture was taken

709
00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:38,799
and regarding the GPS coordinates and

710
00:33:44,110 --> 00:33:42,020
exif stands for exchangeable image file

711
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:44,120
format and every time you take a picture

712
00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:48,490
with your device a file typically a

713
00:33:56,010 --> 00:33:52,190
joint photographic exchange group that's

714
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:56,020
the what the acronym JPEG stands for is

715
00:34:00,820 --> 00:33:59,600
recorded to your devices storage Frank

716
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:00,830
can you share with us a little bit

717
00:34:05,650 --> 00:34:02,690
regarding why this exists

718
00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:05,660
data is so important sure yeah eggs if

719
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:08,030
data or a metadata basically two

720
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:10,250
different names for the same thing what

721
00:34:15,490 --> 00:34:12,890
it records is the camera settings the

722
00:34:17,530 --> 00:34:15,500
time sometimes the location kind of

723
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:17,540
depends where you took the picture if

724
00:34:21,550 --> 00:34:19,370
you've got the GPS set up in your camera

725
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:21,560
but basically every time you take a

726
00:34:26,410 --> 00:34:24,560
picture it will record things like

727
00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:26,420
shutter speed which I talked about a

728
00:34:35,770 --> 00:34:32,990
little bit earlier the ISO also the the

729
00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:35,780
lens how far your lenses zoomed in to

730
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:39,080
visit is it three point five or four or

731
00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:42,590
five which is a very wide angle lens 200

732
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:47,270
millimeter 400 600 that would be you

733
00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:50,270
know a pretty heavy-duty zoom so

734
00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:51,680
basically it records all that

735
00:34:57,460 --> 00:34:55,070
information a couple reasons it's useful

736
00:34:59,410 --> 00:34:57,470
and if we had somebody like roll on

737
00:35:01,930 --> 00:34:59,420
today he would talk about how important

738
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:01,940
it is when people provide that eggs of

739
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:03,770
data to him and then you would also

740
00:35:08,980 --> 00:35:06,050
mentioned Joey talking about using

741
00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:08,990
filters well that's ok but what you want

742
00:35:13,830 --> 00:35:11,390
to when you use those filters and you

743
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:13,840
apply them and then you save the picture

744
00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:16,130
that it's not the original photograph

745
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:19,670
now any researcher worth his salt that

746
00:35:25,060 --> 00:35:22,310
is taking a look at photo data is going

747
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,070
to want that exif data so again they can

748
00:35:28,990 --> 00:35:26,960
see well what was the shutter speed I've

749
00:35:30,850 --> 00:35:29,000
got this saucer-shaped blur flying

750
00:35:33,070 --> 00:35:30,860
across the camera and if you've got a

751
00:35:37,630 --> 00:35:33,080
shutter speed of one over a hundred one

752
00:35:40,420 --> 00:35:37,640
over two hundred well you know again

753
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:40,430
that's going to be an indicator that

754
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:43,130
that might be a bird that might may be

755
00:35:47,350 --> 00:35:45,320
less likely be an insect that type of

756
00:35:49,810 --> 00:35:47,360
thing if you're still getting a blurred

757
00:35:53,170 --> 00:35:49,820
object in your shutter speed is say 1

758
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:53,180
over 15 or 1 over 1,600 then you've got

759
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,610
an object that is traveling very very

760
00:35:59,890 --> 00:35:57,920
quickly much much faster than a bird

761
00:36:02,950 --> 00:35:59,900
which is gonna be like maybe a hundred

762
00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:02,960
miles an hour and change so that's why

763
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:04,940
that exif data is so important and

764
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,010
that's why you're going to want to have

765
00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:09,440
the original photo if you want to turn

766
00:36:15,010 --> 00:36:11,750
it over to somebody independent to take

767
00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:15,020
a closer look at what you captured ok I

768
00:36:18,820 --> 00:36:16,100
wanted to ask her

769
00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:18,830
panelists a question first I'm going to

770
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:20,750
preface my question with a little bit of

771
00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:22,970
history here I'm going to read it off of

772
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:25,640
Google I went ahead and googled how many

773
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:28,490
satellites in space and it says this in

774
00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:30,290
history of satellites since the launch

775
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:33,220
of first satellite Sputnik in 1957

776
00:36:37,210 --> 00:36:35,690
around eight thousand three hundred and

777
00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:37,220
seventy-eight satellites have been sent

778
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:41,600
to space as per the data by un ooo si

779
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:44,960
these days there are a little under five

780
00:36:49,210 --> 00:36:47,510
thousand satellites in orbit out of

781
00:36:51,220 --> 00:36:49,220
which only seven are revolving around

782
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:51,230
planets other than Earth now my question

783
00:36:58,330 --> 00:36:54,650
to our panelists is there must be some

784
00:37:02,440 --> 00:36:58,340
reason why Dave Michel Irina

785
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:02,450
deep myself and Frank are looking up at

786
00:37:07,870 --> 00:37:05,210
the sky or across the oceans for

787
00:37:09,070 --> 00:37:07,880
something other than satellites we

788
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:09,080
believe that there must be something

789
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:11,210
other than satellites out there is that

790
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:13,310
right does anybody want to chime in on

791
00:37:16,780 --> 00:37:14,990
that that there must be something other

792
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:16,790
than satellites out there that there

793
00:37:23,590 --> 00:37:20,810
could be potentially real et activity

794
00:37:37,810 --> 00:37:23,600
going on et civilizations possibly is

795
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:37,820
anybody want to chime in on that you

796
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,970
know for for me anyway and most of the

797
00:37:45,970 --> 00:37:42,800
members a UFO i-team it's a foregone

798
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:45,980
conclusion that there are anomalous

799
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:50,240
objects out there in space that we are

800
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:52,910
observing on a regular basis really

801
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,130
really on a regular basis we we pretty

802
00:38:00,640 --> 00:37:57,680
much can go out most any night of the

803
00:38:03,970 --> 00:38:00,650
week that we have clear skies even in

804
00:38:06,820 --> 00:38:03,980
daylight sometimes and and record on

805
00:38:10,090 --> 00:38:06,830
videotape anomalous aerial phenomena

806
00:38:11,710 --> 00:38:10,100
that are definitely not satellites in

807
00:38:15,730 --> 00:38:11,720
fact corner when you come to think about

808
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:15,740
it 5,000 satellites I would have thought

809
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:17,450
there would have been even more than

810
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,490
that and probably our of course with the

811
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:21,680
deep state and you know military things

812
00:38:26,020 --> 00:38:23,570
that we don't even know about that don't

813
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:26,030
show up on transponders and those kinds

814
00:38:33,099 --> 00:38:29,510
of things but even with all of those

815
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:33,109
in various orbits around the planet we

816
00:38:37,540 --> 00:38:34,970
are seeing things that by the way

817
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:37,550
sometimes are much lower than any

818
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:40,310
satellite could be orbiting the planet

819
00:38:46,930 --> 00:38:43,490
so for me it's a it's a definitive yes

820
00:38:48,730 --> 00:38:46,940
that they're out there okay and dr.

821
00:38:51,820 --> 00:38:48,740
Irina Scott what is your input on that I

822
00:38:54,099 --> 00:38:51,830
know you have studied the possibility of

823
00:38:57,370 --> 00:38:54,109
ET civilizations out there in your own

824
00:39:00,730 --> 00:38:57,380
way for decades now what is your input

825
00:39:06,370 --> 00:39:00,740
on that I was gonna say it with the EXIF

826
00:39:08,349 --> 00:39:06,380
data if you see something and you don't

827
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:08,359
think you can get take get a picture if

828
00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:09,290
you have a cell phone take a picture

829
00:39:15,370 --> 00:39:13,430
anyway because with the EXIF data you

830
00:39:18,430 --> 00:39:15,380
can get your exact location and time

831
00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:18,440
whether anything turns out or not which

832
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:21,320
you might not store otherwise and so I

833
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:23,810
just thought I'd say that absolutely

834
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:25,550
sure that's very good technical

835
00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:30,650
information to have dr. Irina Scott why

836
00:39:39,010 --> 00:39:35,500
did you decide to jump into the arena of

837
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:39,020
researching the topic of ufology what

838
00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:41,570
prompted that very serious endeavor for

839
00:39:48,450 --> 00:39:45,380
you my own experience my sister and I

840
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:48,460
had had several sightings of UFOs

841
00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:52,910
including Close Encounters and so that

842
00:40:00,910 --> 00:39:57,140
we I thought something was going on from

843
00:40:05,770 --> 00:40:00,920
my own observation but then also I

844
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:05,780
worked for the DIA and we worked with

845
00:40:14,109 --> 00:40:09,410
satellite photography from satellites

846
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:14,119
taking pictures of the earth and I think

847
00:40:18,359 --> 00:40:16,310
the DI probably has satellite

848
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:18,369
photography just about everything flash

849
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:20,710
and so I think they probably have

850
00:40:33,310 --> 00:40:24,560
pictures of videos and pictures of UFOs

851
00:40:36,220 --> 00:40:33,320
- in fact anything in the DIA my

852
00:40:40,270 --> 00:40:36,230
supervisors it was back in 1968 turned

853
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:40,280
in a report of a UFO and it was pretty

854
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:42,050
obvious something was there and they

855
00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:43,130
were chat just chat

856
00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:46,220
studies by their by their supervisors he

857
00:40:53,830 --> 00:40:48,020
said no they didn't see anything wasn't

858
00:40:55,930 --> 00:40:53,840
there it obviously was when you worked

859
00:41:00,810 --> 00:40:55,940
for that department what type of aerial

860
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:00,820
photography equipment did you use and

861
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:03,050
also anything else you want to share

862
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:04,970
with us that you feel you're able to

863
00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:07,190
regarding that experience that you had

864
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:07,790
with them

865
00:41:17,230 --> 00:41:11,830
this is 1968 photography and it was

866
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,240
talent Keough was code names and it was

867
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:20,000
from a satellite that took regular

868
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:22,790
pictures and dropped them and then they

869
00:41:33,340 --> 00:41:26,930
were captured by airplanes but they were

870
00:41:36,310 --> 00:41:33,350
pretty good pictures man and also do you

871
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:36,320
feel like it's possible that Department

872
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:41,810
captured a crazy question possible ET

873
00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:45,380
craft activity or anomalous activity

874
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:47,660
that could not be explained with their

875
00:41:52,090 --> 00:41:50,210
equipment well that's what my

876
00:41:57,010 --> 00:41:52,100
supervisors turned in was something that

877
00:42:00,040 --> 00:41:57,020
they couldn't explain and they expected

878
00:42:03,460 --> 00:42:00,050
it was on two different photographs in

879
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:03,470
stereo so it wasn't fall on the film and

880
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:05,690
their supervisors told them it was a

881
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:08,690
flaw in the film and which caused their

882
00:42:17,950 --> 00:42:15,170
baby quite suspicious stereo photography

883
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:17,960
is really important can you give us a

884
00:42:24,430 --> 00:42:22,130
little a little blurb on what that is so

885
00:42:28,270 --> 00:42:24,440
our listeners understand better what

886
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:28,280
that means it means such as if you have

887
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:30,650
two eyes and you can estimate the

888
00:42:37,540 --> 00:42:35,510
distance some something is from you

889
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:37,550
because you've seen from two different

890
00:42:41,590 --> 00:42:39,530
viewpoints and their parallax is a

891
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:41,600
little bit different and so they use

892
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:45,170
that in mapping they used to I think

893
00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:51,680
they use machines now to see how to see

894
00:42:56,890 --> 00:42:53,620
the contours and everything on maps and

895
00:43:02,319 --> 00:42:56,900
I used to work it as a cartographer on

896
00:43:07,029 --> 00:43:02,329
mapping for um Air Force pilots and also

897
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:07,039
with the other photography they took it

898
00:43:14,549 --> 00:43:09,049
in stereo so that you can use

899
00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:14,559
instruments and see the distance

900
00:43:19,299 --> 00:43:17,420
estimate the distance if they had

901
00:43:22,210 --> 00:43:19,309
calculations for every picture they took

902
00:43:24,190 --> 00:43:22,220
so that you could calculate the size and

903
00:43:28,269 --> 00:43:24,200
distance and everything else on the

904
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:28,279
pictures deep I wanted to know what

905
00:43:32,049 --> 00:43:29,930
prompted you what inspired you or

906
00:43:37,329 --> 00:43:32,059
motivated you to get involved in this

907
00:43:41,130 --> 00:43:37,339
topic sure so I like to look at it as a

908
00:43:44,140 --> 00:43:41,140
two phase story so I was really

909
00:43:46,809 --> 00:43:44,150
interested in the paranormal topic you

910
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:46,819
can say when I was younger because I was

911
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:48,650
part of what you can call a gifted

912
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:50,690
program and I was the only person who

913
00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:52,910
got a paranormal topic crop circles to

914
00:44:00,220 --> 00:43:56,329
study as like a sort of end-of-the-year

915
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:00,230
project and I read a bunch of different

916
00:44:06,370 --> 00:44:03,049
books on the subject from both crop

917
00:44:09,009 --> 00:44:06,380
circles to the idea of like ETS and even

918
00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:09,019
we're things like ghosts and whatnot but

919
00:44:15,099 --> 00:44:12,200
then over a couple of years I kind of

920
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:15,109
just faded away and I became a hardcore

921
00:44:22,089 --> 00:44:19,369
skeptic and it stayed that way until I

922
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:22,099
would say roughly two years ago and

923
00:44:27,130 --> 00:44:24,410
slowly over time I started paying more

924
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:27,140
attention to all the other details about

925
00:44:32,349 --> 00:44:29,690
ufology so the things that I didn't have

926
00:44:36,489 --> 00:44:32,359
the technical ability that for I could

927
00:44:39,729 --> 00:44:36,499
bet that now and yeah I think now that

928
00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:39,739
I've kind of understood where I think I

929
00:44:43,089 --> 00:44:41,420
understand a decent idea of what's going

930
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,099
on I do think there's a true genuine

931
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:45,920
phenomena worth studying and if that is

932
00:44:49,539 --> 00:44:47,390
the case it means that we need to put

933
00:44:50,849 --> 00:44:49,549
our entire brain power and ability to

934
00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:50,859
understand and get ahead of it

935
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:54,470
why do we need to do that deep I'm gonna

936
00:44:59,499 --> 00:44:56,450
take devil's advocate although I agree

937
00:45:01,989 --> 00:44:59,509
with you 100% I'm gonna pretend you're

938
00:45:04,749 --> 00:45:01,999
wrong and I want to hear your argument

939
00:45:07,809 --> 00:45:04,759
as to why I am wrong why would we even

940
00:45:10,810 --> 00:45:07,819
care why there's possible anomalous UFO

941
00:45:15,250 --> 00:45:10,820
activity out there or possible et

942
00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:15,260
after civilizations coming to our planet

943
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:17,630
or having been here all along we I don't

944
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:21,130
know the theories behind all of them but

945
00:45:27,820 --> 00:45:25,370
devil's advocate I want to play is who

946
00:45:34,270 --> 00:45:27,830
cares what's in our airspace how do you

947
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:34,280
feel about that yeah it's one of those

948
00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:35,480
things where sometimes people will

949
00:45:38,860 --> 00:45:37,190
validly take that position say it

950
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:38,870
seriously why should you care even if it

951
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:41,630
is true why should I care so I'm the way

952
00:45:44,740 --> 00:45:43,010
that I look at it is that it really

953
00:45:47,170 --> 00:45:44,750
depends on your own personal philosophy

954
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:47,180
and whether what you feel about this

955
00:45:52,450 --> 00:45:50,240
analogy which is that we are in area

956
00:45:52,990 --> 00:45:52,460
dealing with like we are the preserved

957
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:53,000
tribe

958
00:46:00,820 --> 00:45:58,490
never heard or seen a TV we don't know

959
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,830
what a car looks like I here you know

960
00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:02,720
you see humans in uniforms and they

961
00:46:08,170 --> 00:46:05,540
think what the hell are these beings and

962
00:46:10,330 --> 00:46:08,180
they have these gifts and stuff so in

963
00:46:12,580 --> 00:46:10,340
the if I found out you know if I had a

964
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:12,590
glimpse as a tribesman that was

965
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:14,150
preserved that there's an entire world

966
00:46:18,970 --> 00:46:16,010
out there and deeper reality that I

967
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:18,980
don't understand and it's my personality

968
00:46:22,540 --> 00:46:20,450
that I would chase after that that I

969
00:46:24,310 --> 00:46:22,550
would be like alright well I would like

970
00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:24,320
to know more I don't want to be

971
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:26,990
sheltered but there are people who and

972
00:46:29,890 --> 00:46:28,370
you know I can't say that one

973
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:29,900
perspective is valid and another isn't

974
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,370
some people would take the perspective

975
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:33,920
that ok well look it looks like we're

976
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:35,450
just going to be inviting more trouble I

977
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:37,370
don't want bills I don't want to worry

978
00:46:41,470 --> 00:46:40,250
about you know my Facebook or Twitter I

979
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,480
like the way things are now

980
00:46:46,030 --> 00:46:43,760
so yeah it's tough but yeah I look at it

981
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:46,040
Dave I wanted to be a jerk to you about

982
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:49,970
this topic and ask you why why in the

983
00:46:53,950 --> 00:46:51,770
hell would anybody care what's in our

984
00:46:56,530 --> 00:46:53,960
skies I personally think for security

985
00:46:59,170 --> 00:46:56,540
reasons we should care but I have come

986
00:47:00,610 --> 00:46:59,180
across people and a deep I know you you

987
00:47:02,170 --> 00:47:00,620
feel that way we've talked about that

988
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:02,180
regarding defense purposes it's

989
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:05,530
important to know but wanted to ask Dave

990
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:10,250
Mason because we get this question of

991
00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:13,850
Frank and I off and on who cares what's

992
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:15,980
in our skies well Dave who cares what's

993
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,700
in our skies how do you feel about that

994
00:47:24,730 --> 00:47:21,440
sounds like a choice of being ignorant

995
00:47:30,730 --> 00:47:24,740
Society so you know that's another

996
00:47:33,220 --> 00:47:30,740
thing to be discussing my interest in in

997
00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:33,230
this phenomenon is you know obviously

998
00:47:37,540 --> 00:47:35,060
there's a there's something going on

999
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:37,550
that indicates it's some sort of what

1000
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:41,780
appears to be an ET presence but if we

1001
00:47:47,170 --> 00:47:44,270
were to come into contact with them find

1002
00:47:49,540 --> 00:47:47,180
the I know a downed craft and and and be

1003
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:49,550
able to reverse-engineer that technology

1004
00:47:58,780 --> 00:47:54,130
we could certainly evolve our ability to

1005
00:48:00,880 --> 00:47:58,790
you know not use a fossil fuels we'd

1006
00:48:03,070 --> 00:48:00,890
find other forms of transportation other

1007
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:03,080
forms of heat so that we could do things

1008
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:06,410
to improve the the world and improve the

1009
00:48:12,609 --> 00:48:08,570
the environment so I think there's some

1010
00:48:15,370 --> 00:48:12,619
real advantages of making or vetting

1011
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:15,380
this information about the UFOs or you

1012
00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:18,770
ApS and and and discovering you know

1013
00:48:24,460 --> 00:48:21,020
there's still a lot to learn we've we've

1014
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,470
been ignorant in science for first might

1015
00:48:30,250 --> 00:48:26,720
throughout history where the man

1016
00:48:32,590 --> 00:48:30,260
couldn't fly man you know we we couldn't

1017
00:48:34,510 --> 00:48:32,600
make it to outer space and and prominent

1018
00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:34,520
scientists proclaiming this and then

1019
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:36,760
finding out you know in short order that

1020
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:39,410
what they proclaimed was proven wrong

1021
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:43,010
and and so there's still a lot for us to

1022
00:48:47,770 --> 00:48:46,310
learn and and that's that's you know

1023
00:48:50,349 --> 00:48:47,780
just paramount I think they need to

1024
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:50,359
pursue this so your endeavor and passion

1025
00:48:55,570 --> 00:48:52,250
to want to learn more regarding the

1026
00:48:57,550 --> 00:48:55,580
science end of this topic would you say

1027
00:49:00,400 --> 00:48:57,560
that is one primary reason why you are

1028
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:00,410
so interested because you've totally

1029
00:49:06,430 --> 00:49:03,310
immersed yourself in it you are involved

1030
00:49:08,859 --> 00:49:06,440
actively and avidly in the UFO I teen

1031
00:49:11,290 --> 00:49:08,869
that Michael Hall has in Edmonds

1032
00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:11,300
Washington and I wanted to know what

1033
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:13,460
what is what are some of the other

1034
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:15,290
reasons why you would involve yourself

1035
00:49:21,460 --> 00:49:19,130
in this kind of enigmatic topic well I'm

1036
00:49:24,730 --> 00:49:21,470
also involving myself in it because I've

1037
00:49:28,060 --> 00:49:24,740
actually recorded anomalous objects

1038
00:49:31,570 --> 00:49:28,070
using thermal imaging cameras I've

1039
00:49:33,010 --> 00:49:31,580
actually I witnessed objects so I know

1040
00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:33,020
there's there's things that are out

1041
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:35,830
there that are certainly not us and the

1042
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:38,330
interesting part of the use

1043
00:49:44,070 --> 00:49:41,420
thermal imaging is that I've detected

1044
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,080
objects in the thermal imaging camera

1045
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,640
where they're apparent on the monitor

1046
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,280
and then I can take my gen three night

1047
00:49:53,350 --> 00:49:51,440
vision and it's military-issue night

1048
00:49:55,060 --> 00:49:53,360
vision and look up and there's no object

1049
00:49:57,070 --> 00:49:55,070
visible but the thermal camera is

1050
00:50:03,490 --> 00:49:57,080
picking it up so then I know this object

1051
00:50:05,790 --> 00:50:03,500
is emitting a long wave IR infrared it's

1052
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:05,800
called long wave infrared in about the

1053
00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:09,050
13,000 to 14,000 nanometer range where

1054
00:50:16,990 --> 00:50:12,980
in our our visual is between about 350

1055
00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:17,000
to 750 nanometers and then night vision

1056
00:50:21,820 --> 00:50:20,390
technology goes down to about 1,100 so

1057
00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:21,830
there's there's some things that I've

1058
00:50:27,580 --> 00:50:24,200
determined as far as what I've recorded

1059
00:50:30,220 --> 00:50:27,590
is that there's a electromagnetic

1060
00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:30,230
spectrum difference between some of

1061
00:50:34,540 --> 00:50:32,540
these objects that are detected but not

1062
00:50:36,510 --> 00:50:34,550
seen and of course some of these objects

1063
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:36,520
are actually visually you know confirmed

1064
00:50:42,330 --> 00:50:39,650
so I have an interest in it because I've

1065
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:42,340
recorded them there's there obviously

1066
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:45,140
something that isn't man-made technology

1067
00:50:51,090 --> 00:50:46,850
or I should say human kind technology

1068
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:51,100
that needs to be discovered and

1069
00:51:01,150 --> 00:50:57,680
hopefully used enhance our clients

1070
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:01,160
enhance our you know you have flying

1071
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:02,930
cars you know or something that would

1072
00:51:07,150 --> 00:51:04,910
not have a major impact on our

1073
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:07,160
environment on it asking the same

1074
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:13,010
question with chant you're breaking up a

1075
00:51:17,710 --> 00:51:14,570
little bit just as you're asking me a

1076
00:51:19,150 --> 00:51:17,720
question what precipitated you yeah

1077
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:19,160
Frank I have the same question for you

1078
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:21,290
why do you care about this topic

1079
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:24,950
well I've cared about it to an extent

1080
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:26,810
kind of passively I've been interested

1081
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:30,430
in it going back to the early 70s so

1082
00:51:35,710 --> 00:51:32,690
I've always been kind of interested but

1083
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:35,720
again passively I got more proactively

1084
00:51:42,190 --> 00:51:38,330
interested basically when I got too old

1085
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:42,200
to play hockey so that that happened a

1086
00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:45,250
little bit more than a decade ago now

1087
00:51:50,190 --> 00:51:48,550
and just decided this was the thing that

1088
00:51:51,690 --> 00:51:50,200
I was going to get interested in and

1089
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:51,700
that found a few things that I thought

1090
00:51:57,980 --> 00:51:55,330
were really interesting from a sort of

1091
00:52:01,620 --> 00:51:57,990
an archival research perspective and

1092
00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:01,630
just had success and got to meet UFO

1093
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:03,880
people you know I'm not that the kind of

1094
00:52:08,130 --> 00:52:06,400
person who necessarily believes this is

1095
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:08,140
something you should be interested in

1096
00:52:11,850 --> 00:52:10,570
you must be interested in it's a kind of

1097
00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:11,860
thing where you know when the time is

1098
00:52:16,140 --> 00:52:13,480
right maybe you have an unusual

1099
00:52:18,810 --> 00:52:16,150
experience or you just get up in that

1100
00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:18,820
it's there and the thing that I found

1101
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,830
with my interests over to you it's not

1102
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:22,960
just UFO stuff but other things as well

1103
00:52:26,910 --> 00:52:25,330
that the nice thing about them is

1104
00:52:29,370 --> 00:52:26,920
they're always kind of there you know

1105
00:52:31,170 --> 00:52:29,380
you can kind of put it aside for a while

1106
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:31,180
and come back to it and guess what it's

1107
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:32,890
still gonna be there somebody could take

1108
00:52:37,980 --> 00:52:35,680
a break from UFOs for a year come back

1109
00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:37,990
to it and there's still good the topic

1110
00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:42,190
is still gonna be there so that is that

1111
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:43,990
is something I like about life you know

1112
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:46,570
that we can have these interests and

1113
00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:48,750
they're always gonna be there for us

1114
00:52:53,490 --> 00:52:51,070
people can come and go you know

1115
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:53,500
sometimes maybe you have falling outs

1116
00:52:57,810 --> 00:52:56,410
maybe they you know you have friends and

1117
00:52:59,550 --> 00:52:57,820
family who I bet you get to a certain

1118
00:53:01,920 --> 00:52:59,560
age and maybe they pass away whatever

1119
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,930
the case may be but your interests and

1120
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:04,240
your passions they don't go away they're

1121
00:53:10,830 --> 00:53:08,770
always there for you and UFO stuff

1122
00:53:13,890 --> 00:53:10,840
that's that's my number one hobby these

1123
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:13,900
days and got to meet a lot of great

1124
00:53:19,110 --> 00:53:16,980
people and including you there at you

1125
00:53:22,050 --> 00:53:19,120
well thank you you know I'll tell you

1126
00:53:25,110 --> 00:53:22,060
why I'm involved in this topic because

1127
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:25,120
I'm really selfish regarding this topic

1128
00:53:32,670 --> 00:53:27,910
I'll be honest I want to learn more

1129
00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:32,680
about humanity and I think if we learn

1130
00:53:40,860 --> 00:53:36,540
if we learn more about the habits and

1131
00:53:44,610 --> 00:53:40,870
the possibility of being visited by an

1132
00:53:48,450 --> 00:53:44,620
ET civilization or civilizations we will

1133
00:53:50,340 --> 00:53:48,460
also learn more about ourselves and so

1134
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:50,350
it's an intellectual endeavor like I

1135
00:53:54,990 --> 00:53:51,850
know it is for everybody here on this

1136
00:53:58,020 --> 00:53:55,000
panel and also because of the unknowns

1137
00:53:59,099 --> 00:53:58,030
and you know I've met people who say

1138
00:54:00,930 --> 00:53:59,109
things like well I want

1139
00:54:04,979 --> 00:54:00,940
to be a mystery I enjoyed the mystery of

1140
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:04,989
it well I'm glad for you but if I can

1141
00:54:11,370 --> 00:54:08,049
learn more about it I'm all for it

1142
00:54:14,849 --> 00:54:11,380
however I am totally acutely aware that

1143
00:54:18,329 --> 00:54:14,859
we may never really learn all we want to

1144
00:54:20,609 --> 00:54:18,339
know about it and that's also fine so I

1145
00:54:23,489 --> 00:54:20,619
wanted to go ahead and give that input

1146
00:54:27,450 --> 00:54:23,499
now I wanted to ask everybody before we

1147
00:54:30,930 --> 00:54:27,460
had the show about the topic of using

1148
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:30,940
radar equipment to capture possible UFO

1149
00:54:47,549 --> 00:54:34,319
activity deep how do you feel about

1150
00:54:54,779 --> 00:54:47,559
radar equipment being used by anyone and

1151
00:54:56,370 --> 00:54:54,789
CTE innocent yes look at radars and I'm

1152
00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:56,380
these days I'm a little bit more

1153
00:55:00,269 --> 00:54:57,730
interested in the radar jamming aspect

1154
00:55:02,009 --> 00:55:00,279
of things because there's always the

1155
00:55:05,609 --> 00:55:02,019
idea that for example the tic-tac cases

1156
00:55:07,499 --> 00:55:05,619
was the result of radar jamming done by

1157
00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:07,509
let's say a terrestrial adversary right

1158
00:55:12,539 --> 00:55:10,390
like let's say China or it was our own

1159
00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:12,549
guys and they were spoofing the radar

1160
00:55:18,809 --> 00:55:15,220
returns the interesting thing here that

1161
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:18,819
I think is would be great is if we could

1162
00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:22,089
get our hands on the the nature of the

1163
00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:24,039
radar jamming that occurred so for

1164
00:55:28,049 --> 00:55:25,569
example there's two kinds of radar

1165
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:28,059
jamming there's electronic jamming and

1166
00:55:33,420 --> 00:55:30,910
there's no mechanical Jemmy in the case

1167
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,430
of electronic jamming what you can do is

1168
00:55:37,769 --> 00:55:35,200
analyze the noise profile that was

1169
00:55:40,410 --> 00:55:37,779
created in order to jam your system now

1170
00:55:41,729 --> 00:55:40,420
this noise profile can actually tell you

1171
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:41,739
a lot about the system that it came from

1172
00:55:46,109 --> 00:55:44,170
the underlying radar jamming system if

1173
00:55:48,749 --> 00:55:46,119
we're dealing with a true

1174
00:55:51,210 --> 00:55:48,759
extraterrestrial intelligence that let's

1175
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:51,220
say is jamming the system then the noise

1176
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:53,410
profile that it creates would at least

1177
00:55:57,749 --> 00:55:56,049
be mathematically more optimal then the

1178
00:55:59,729 --> 00:55:57,759
noise profile coming out of a more

1179
00:56:02,910 --> 00:55:59,739
primitive radar jamming system that we

1180
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,920
create so yeah I think that using radars

1181
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,440
is a valid way but also radar jamming

1182
00:56:09,660 --> 00:56:07,119
might tell us a lot too

1183
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,670
yeah real quick a deep by going back to

1184
00:56:16,170 --> 00:56:12,640
the the tic-tac case now what we know

1185
00:56:19,769 --> 00:56:16,180
that they got radar signals back on the

1186
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:19,779
ships but then the guy who was closer to

1187
00:56:25,170 --> 00:56:22,089
them I pretty much right on the the

1188
00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:25,180
tic-tac Dave flavor is reported that his

1189
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:28,630
radar was jammed so apparently if

1190
00:56:33,299 --> 00:56:31,089
there's some radar jamming going on it